"And it was Ibn Baaz who gave the fatwa for the detention of Safar and Salmaan to prevent their marxist style fitnah spreading !!"

This is a double-barreled lie. Just another among your many. Where does this fatwa of Ibn Baz exist? And where does it refer to your lie of "their marxist style fitnah spreading"? The sum of the incident is that the Saudi government requested that the Hay'a Kibar al-Ulama' investigate into the affair of Safar and Salman. Hay'a Kibar al-Ulama' listened to some tapes and read certain selections of some of the writings of Safar. They then decided not to take a position but refer the matter back to the Saudi government. The Saudi government then brought in Safar and Salman and asked them to sign a document in which demanded of them not to say:

* The Islamic world is the target of a new Crusade
* It is incumbent to wage jihad against the Jews
* Politics is part of religion
* America's problems are a result of her being away from Allah
* Declaration that to participate in usury based banks is forbidden in the sharia
* Muslims must pay Zakat and should give charity
* Muslims must alleviate the suffering of other Muslims

Safar and Salman refused and were thus fired from their teaching positions and were banned from all activities or contact with anyone. Thereafter they were arrested and have remained in prison now for almost six years.

The amazing thing is that the members of the Royal family themselves see that what has befallen them since the crackdown upon the mashaykh is a form of Divine punishment. It has been reported by more than one source that King Fahd's son, Abdul-Aziz, believes that what has befallen his father from stroke and mental infirmity, is a direct result of the du'a of the Muslims against him in the wake of his imprisoning Safar and Salman. Also, when Safar was imprisoned, Ibn Baz visited him and asked him if he needed anything. Safar replied he would not request anything but that his mother be brought to him. When Safar's mother came, she scolded Ibn Baz and told him to fear Allah. Upon which Ibn Baz broke down in tears.

Moreover, even if one were to argue that Ibn Baz was the cause of their imprisonment, then one must also take into account Ibn Baz's statements directly following their imprisonment, that they were from Ahl-Sunnah and that imprisonment is not an indication of deviation, but rather the government thought it in its interest to imprison them and that others like Prophet Yusuf, Imam Ahmad and Shaikh al-Islam Ibn Taymiya were likewise imprisoned. Please respond to that, O Abu Khadeejah.

Ali then said:

"While originally a phenomenon that for the most part was a local issue in response to the activities of certain scholars in Saudi Arabia, it, thereafter, grew to a world wide destructive movement which its cancerous teachings were seen from the west coast of the United States to the islands of Indonesia."

The proof of that is the existence of ignorant people like the self-styled Salafi, Abu Khadeejah in the UK. Who then says:

"My response: The activities of 'certain scholars..' - of course what Ali means here is the likes of Safar and Salmaan who were spreading the fitnah of revolution, democrasy, demonstrations etc., publicly criticising the rulers and other affairs - for which Ibn Baaz gave the fatwa of their detention"

These lies have been responded to above.